[BALLS DEEP FLID]

when you pull up on a car fire, what do you transmit? a "WORKING" car fire or a fully involved car fire? can a car fire really be working? where are you going to position the engine if its on a main highway or road, are you going to close the road down for member safety? hmmm......


if this thread should be in another section be my guest to move it.

[george]

working car fire is different from fully involved car fire in one way. A working car fire to me means that its its one place and is small. A fully involved car fire to me means that the whole car is on fire.

And to answer the other question, dont put the engine in the front or back of the car because the bumper can fly off at any moment. So pull to the side of it..

[Signal 12]

I really cannot believe that this is A.) being discussed again and B.) that anyone really cares either way ... it's a car fire. Common sense should dictate the obvious, i.e. people still in the car, the car is against a structure, etc. Otherwise, it's a car fire.

[RES347CUE]

I Am Going To Have To Concur With 12 On This One

[oos]

way to shut em' down 12.... good job buddy

[You Dont Know About That?]

i dont agree with using the word Working...

but i can understand why we do...

car overheats on the expressway...blows out steam...passing by motorist calls Fd says 'cars on fire on the LIE'....XY fd gets paged out for a car fire...

and the fd pulls up to a BS call.

at least 'working' being transmitted by a chief or someone on scene lets you know you are def. going to something on fire....

maybe its time to revamp fd lingo....

[zeroone]

Yes, we should always be prepared to go to work when the bell goes off, so, does that mean, the next AFA you go on which turns into a one room fire, the OIC shouldn't transmit anything? Should he not tell the incoming units he has a working fire? After all, the alarm went off saying there was a fire at that location, so why the need to tell the units and dispatch you have a fire? Shouldn't they just expect it ????

[eastend562]

good point zeroone let the people you work with know what is going on and we spend all this money on radios,portables and frequencies. the ic or first responder on scene with radio can also let responding units know about scene safety issues wires, gas leaking and to bring this up again isnt a big deal i dont know too many depts that have working or fully involved car fires every day.

[Wanderer]

I don't see all the fuss about the use of certain words...so WHAT if the chief calls it a "working" fire? Do we really need to break balls on one word? I think everyone who hears "working fire" knows what it means. If you don't like the word, then don't use it! Get over it and move on ,please!

[You Dont Know About That?]

'car fire, building fire, structure fire, house fire,brush fire'

they all get used so much for BS calls that when its the real thing...we have to use words like working....

whats next...signal 10 not doing the trick?...'working signal 10?'

[bfdisp5]

How about type of car and where the fire is located in it...sedan/engine compartment fire.....

[Navy076996]

Originally Posted by Signal 12

it's a car fire.

+1

It's either a vehicle fire or it's not.

[Navy076996]

Originally Posted by You Dont Know About That?

'car fire, building fire, structure fire, house fire,brush fire'

they all get used so much for BS calls that when its the real thing...we have to use words like working....

whats next...signal 10 not doing the trick?...'working signal 10?'

[rant]
And that is my pet peeve. Hearing calls get toned out for "Report of a structure fire" meanwhile it was either an automatic alarm or a phone alarm in which the caller said 'Yeah, my smoke detector is going off'.

Report = Someone sees something
Structure fire = A structure is on fire
Report of a structure fire = Someone sees a structure on fire

Down here it's either a FIRE ALARM or a BUILDING FIRE. Easy.

[/rant]

[fdnyguy]

When I vollied in Suffolk, the radio signal 35 was designated to be used like the Nassau Signal 10.

Too many times did I hear "35" on a vehicle fire, and since "35" had it's definition of "working fire", to transmit a 13/35 was and is a redundant code.

I personally used plain text, such as engine compartment going, or a fully involved vehicle, of course being specific on the type of vehicle. And many others did as well, so I wasn't being innovative.

Good point on the bumper blowing out under pressure. Some other things to refresh the older Brothers and plant in the newbies is:

Driveshafts are now hollow and sealed, no longer solid. There have been reports of them exploding (albeit rare) but metal can bounce off the pavement and injure Brothers.

Many hoods and trunks now use hydraulic cylinders similar to what are used on hatches. Same as the driveshafts, but IMO, more hazardous. No ground or car to block them. Should your hood have metal hinges, taking the forked end of a Halligan, turning the hinges 90 degrees eliminates the need of using a Halligan to prop up a hood. A "Captain" criticized me for this move. I don't believe in adding hood support for another use of a Halligan. Guess he did.

Certain cars have batteries in the trunk. Olds Alero is one, only made for a few years. Some gearheads also move their batteries to the back, or add a few to power their 400,000 watt music systems. A trunkload of sulfuric acid, maybe? While we are getting familiar with Hybrids, I have read on sites where extra batteries are added in the rear to increase mileage. Batteries are bad enough, exposed acid is worse.

Magnesium. Motors, steering shafts, wheels.

The Corvette and no longer made Fiero were known to have given off copious amounts of Hydrogen Cyanide gas, IIRC, due to their fiberglas composites. While these cars are a majority of fiberglas, as we know newer cars today are lighter, and have more of a fiberglas and/or polycarbonate material. Either or, SCBA is HIGHLY recommended...

And of course, someone who "conveniently" runs to Lowes to get their 20 Lb BBQ tank filled now has a fully involved car on the way home

or:

Someone else who loads their trunk and/or back seat with 5 gallon Jerry cans to save a ton of money off the dock, and ends up like the BBQ guy (Thank God they never collided like they did in the old Reeses' commercials.. lol)

Both of these = "Murphy's Law". And is it a stroke of luck these 2 above never happen on a regular basis?


Always attack from the side. NEVER remove a gas cap during the operation. If ya have to,do it SLOWLY. Let the pressure out. Removing it quick may have flying gas heading your way. Have at least an 1 3/4" line to cover ya. I'll pass on a booster. JMO.

Don't park the rig in front or rear of the car, as posted. Not only the bumper danger, but a ruptured fuel tank (many are plastic) now has fuel running towards your rig.

Any diesel buff, find the Oct 2008 issue of Diesel World magazine. TTS systems is working on a CNG adapter for diesels to increase the mileage. While reporting a jump from 18 to 55 mpg on the highway, a tank of CNG will be another thing we may have to look out for. While I'm certain the aftermarket adapter will have to meet DOT standards, the backyard mechanic doesn't. Time will tell on this, I think.

Also be aware of the cooking oil tank. Many diesel owners now run their cars on it. Some run it straight, others add a tank in the trunk to hold the veggie oil (starting and shutting down on diesel), and ya don't need a surprise opening the trunk. Doubtful will there be a warning for ya. Some earlier models used jerry cans, and I've seen pics of these in front and rear passenger areas, but most are in the trunk. Seems most are now made of metal.

Read about one manufacturer here: Greasecar Vegetable Fuel Systems

No doubt Brothers here drill the newbies on what I mentioned, and is in no means intended to insult or belittle anyone. And I'm pretty certain I forgot a thing or two, so I will be refeshed as well.

Plus their is always a mechanic or 2 on here to throw even more tips in.

Sorry for veering off course. But I'll pass on a "10" or a "35" for a fully involved vehicle.

Stay safe, stay well.

[btb]

"working car fire" is an appropriate term.

[Speed Deamon]

just say "the car is on fire" there ya go.

[HooknLadder2]

"car fire"...that just about sums it up, whether its in the engine compartment or if the car is fully involved, we still need to be aware of the inherent dangers of a car fire...just be ready to go to work and stretch the line and put the fire out...sounds simple enough.