[PDDISP12]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=1

[Bothworlds]

so the study was done 20+ years ago. and they just spent another 180,000 to do another study. alot has changed I see.


thanks for finding that article, it made for some interesting reading.

[RESQ9065]

Does anyone actually KNOW where this $$$$ went (or is going) for this ambulance study in the Town of North Hempstead?? I've heard the usual guesses and rumors.

There was an excellent county task force report compiled last year, but it hasnt yet seen the light of day. It covered the strengths & weaknesses in the present ems ambulance operation within Nassau County. Its not rocket science. It isnt top secret......people with any length of time here know the usual suggestions for improvement.

I remember when Shelly Domash was riding around in the buses getting material for that NY Times article in 1986. There have been improvements, but we should not forget there is still much more to be done.

Hang in there.

[PDDISP12]

Nassau just needs a paid full time EMS system

[ENGINE932]

My Friend tell me when this happens so i can hammer the for sale sign in the ground we are paying thru the nose where is all the cash coming from just think of this using FDNY numbers 1 fully paid engine company 5 MILLION DOLLARS i do not think that number is out of whack as was stated in the NY Post . My town would need 2 engine companys and 1 truck because the RR cuts the village in half we have a large number of apartment buildings 4story or more .

[PDDISP12]

we dont need a paid fd system, just EMS expand the EAB

[kye994]

Originally Posted by PDDISP12

Nassau just needs a paid full time EMS system

We have one. It's called NCPD/EAB.

[PDDISP12]

yes but it needs to expanded. 2 or 3 buses per pct is not a fully paid system.

[ENGINE932]

What they need to do is put 2 techs on a bus leave the 100,000 dollar drivers on the street but that cost cash so they raise the billing what happens next the health insurers raise the rates but our illeagles get the free ride own a home you get the bill added to your taxes no win

[doitallboy]

Hire BLS crews for the PD buses... And put the medics in fly cars... For BLS calls, assign the Bus, for ALS calls, assign the a bus & a medic. This could even be done with FD buses. Assign the medic with the responding FD, they can verify that FD has ALS provider, and if they are not needed, they can go back on the rode.

[PDDISP12]

Originally Posted by doitallboy

Hire BLS crews for the PD buses... And put the medics in fly cars... For BLS calls, assign the Bus, for ALS calls, assign the a bus & a medic. This could even be done with FD buses. Assign the medic with the responding FD, they can verify that FD has ALS provider, and if they are not needed, they can go back on the rode.

yeah that would be the best bet for the county

[back in the day]

Any truth that all the money collected from EAB goes into the County general fund and not one red cent goes to the operation of said unit. Also having read the artical written in News Rag which states how the fire Depts do Ems for free and the County charges a fee how many more calls are we going to get

[Bothworlds]

Originally Posted by doitallboy

Hire BLS crews for the PD buses... And put the medics in fly cars... For BLS calls, assign the Bus, for ALS calls, assign the a bus & a medic. This could even be done with FD buses. Assign the medic with the responding FD, they can verify that FD has ALS provider, and if they are not needed, they can go back on the rode.

the Ideal way would be for the FD to send out ambulances, and the county to supply fly cars with CC's & P's. unfortunatly This will not bring in any money for the county jut cost the county money. no transport no income. this will not be done.

also people say how the county charges for the service and they people pay taxes for it. well think of this, they also pay taxes for the fire department and we still send out fund drive requests every year. Also we pay taxes for the water department and have to pay for how much we use. So lets not say the county is double dipping for funds, we all seem to be doing it.

[EMSJEEP]

The county has 30 some busses and the fire and vac services have in the neighborhood of 130 or something like that, ?right? why expand EAB? Dump EAB propper and put the money towards staffing and redistributing (building secondary stations, eliminaing others) those 130 + EAB ambulances throughout the county. How many other largely suburban counties do you know of that have paid EMS that is inaccessable to volunteers? I never understood what business the Police Department had in EMS, as in why they began EAB and not just a county, or county funded hospital based EMS system? Anybody for a hx lesson?

[RESQ9065]

For those who are interested in Nassau County EMS history.....The Nassau County Police Dept got into ambulance work in 1953.....Long Island was a different world then. The fire dept ran mostly fire calls (imagine that?). There were a few ambulances but nothing like today. Some hospitals ran ambulance service too. For the most part, your family took you to the hospital, NOT an ambulance.The big LIRR train wreck in Rockville Center got people thinking about MCIs, lack of ambulances and standardization of ems. The County police dept had the organizational ability, para-military background & accountability to provide various services to the public. The NCPD got assigned ems duty. It may come as a suprise to some, but Nassau County once was very forward thinking & prided itself on serving the citizens. Maybe this was just the post WW 2 spirit which was found everywhere back then. Whatever ---- the County hired civilians to provide first aid & drive the ambulance. They received advanced first aid training from red cross & USAF at Mitchel Air Force base. I believe they were called motor equipment operators....later changed to "chaufeurs"......then 'ambulance driver" (in early 1970).....as more were trained in ALS, the title became Ambulance Medical technician (AMT). The ems envelope was expanded in 1960s with the addition of "patrol ambulances" manned by cops to backup the cadilacs. Station wagons used by Sgts, were retrofitted to accept a trundle. Later, Ford econline vans were modified (in house, by the way) to be ambulances. This concept eventually became outdated & real ambulances were acquired. To supplement the civilian AMTs, Pct cops were trained as emts or adv emt. This lasted many years....at one time half the ems providers were cops & half civilian AMTs. As both police work & ems became more sophisticated, the concept of cross trained cops was too expensive. The ems providers then became ALL civilianized.

In 1979, I had the pleasure of meeting Jim Page from LACoFD. He just bought a magazine that would become known as "JEMS". I had just finished reading his book "The Paramedics" which mentions NCPD's als ambulances. He told me Nassau County was so forward thinking in the 1960s that he wanted to do a whole chapter on us, but he got no cooperation from the County. No suprise there. BTW The TV show EMERGENCY almost was filmed in Nassau County. Jack Webb was the producer and loved doing cop shows.(Dragnet, Adam 12, etc)...NCPD captured his fancy, but again it fell upon deaf ears. He met up with batt Chief Jim Page & LA got the show.

Enough typing. Go google JIM PAGE etc if you want more.

Stay safe.

[PDDISP12]

thanks for the history lesson !