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everyone is a critic behind these screens. let me ask you something. seeing as how everything in this county is political. if you're even lucky enough to be in someone's mutual aid plan and they call you it doesn't matter if your entire department has the measles and your chauffer had his leg cut off you're going to go to that mutual aid because then every tom dick and harry will be angry at you that you didn't show up because you're lucky enough and they've graced you with the chance to go mutual aid to a fire and you'll instantly be booted from their mutual aid plan. if your department had one of your ladders o.o.s. and you were called mutual aid would you say the same thing if your dept. was skipped over? probably not you'd probably be up in arms saying "XYZ dept" is stupid they do stupid things like not call us. in this county where everything is political and everything is baby kissing you have to clearly kiss @$$ and tickle taints in order to be somewhere. if you want examples of this please do let me know I have a few. but if you want to criticize what garden city did when a friend/neighboring dept. call them why don't you think about it.
i realize that i wrote this for the signal 10 post but decided to throw it in the new thread. this is in response to what someone said about garden city's decision to send their ladder when one of OOS and have westbury backfill.
which if you wish to discuss that i will. i think its a great idea. who gives a crap if you sent a ladder and backfilled your house with someone else's ladder? it's a smart decision because:
1) besides garden city who else is close to mineola that wasn't called? hempstead? truck 1 is out of service they have the same problem as GC. nhp? you've already called them for an engine? a 1&1 from the same dept. during the day? who knows. GCP? they sent the quint/squirt to the scene as the FAST i'm sure. they say it themselves that their tower ladder has limited chauffer availability. even then you've just taken both their ladders. carle place? i think they only have one ladder as well. so it leaves you with westbury which has quite some distance to travel to get to HQ. GC is right down the block they can get in quarters and if need be go to the scene on other called faster than westbury could have (not saying anything bad about westbury they're great department).
2) everyone is a complainer; you're damned if you do; damned if you don't.
i'm done i'll wait for a rebuttle.
Last edited by unknownarea : 06-25-2008 at 12:10 AM.
It certainly appears that there are way to many people in the Nassau County fire service who would rather receive an "invite" to some one else's fire than provide primary fire protection to the taxpayers of their town/village. The practice of striping your home town for a photo op is a dangerous one. Is it acceptable to leave your family and neighbors unprotected while you standby somewhere else? The decision makers need to take care of things at home and not worry about being put on a do not call list.
but just curious:
if you had an ambulance and the town next to you had a person in cardiac arrest and their bus was on scene of a totally seperate and unrelated cardiac arrest and lets pretend this is the rest of the world and the PD didn't have an ambulance service and your department only had one bus because your other one is out of service and they requested you for mutual aid because you're the next closest department. would you send your bus? or would you keep your bus there to protect your "taxpayers" should we send our bus on a photo op "man wouldn't it be nice to get this person out of cardiac arrest and get a rythmn again this person survives man we could be on every front page" or strip our primary fire/ems area of our only ambulance?
As stated above, there is plenty of resources to go elsewhere for coverage. For the many on this board who cry for a paid service or to combine services and combine dept.s there would be less ladders to cover the same areas in an all paid service. Moving rigs around to cover areas would be routine on every multiple alarm.
we all know that if one ladder was down there is about 40 depts who have a ladder to cover them. We have more engines,ladders, tower ladders, busses and what ever else we can put lights on in this county the in the rest of the dam country. Im not sure why everyone thinks world war three is breaking out, but lets be serious and don't feed me the you never know line. if need be we all know there could be 12 million trucks and engines on the scene and another 5 million guys standing one the fire floor the steps up to the fire floor the floor above the floor below the room and anywhere else someone can stand 2 maybe get into a picture.
I will gladly debate anyone who feels they can justify striping their town for a request to standby.
I know there is more than enough apparatus in the county but you still need to turn out the firefighters to roll the rigs. Request for immediate assistance to the scene, by all means respond with the closest apparatus and backfill. For a standby, go to a department that can accommodate the request without leaving a gap in their home fire protection.
The spirit of the RANT is not to bash individuals or departments, so I won't give you what you want on that topic.
If you had cut and pasted a little bit more of that old post it would have said that I can be reached at GCFD Headquarters if any one would like to sit down and debate the merits of my statements.
looks like your getting alittle off topic, i think the ? was why not skip gc and go directly to someone else if gc doesnt have 2 ladders in town and cant provide 1. i will give you a oddball scenario, we were already providing m/a coverage for a nieghboring dept with 2 eng,1 trk, and a bus. another nieghboring dept had a 10, and the automatic m/a dept was the 1 we were supplying coverage for, firecom recognized this and let the i/c know. he inturn went in the other direction for m/a recognizing that both my dept and the dept my dept was covering couldnt give them anything. The key is communication! dont be afraid to speak up and say no! we are adults and smart i/c's will understand.
i got the fix guys...next time call US...we'll gladly come up north to visit the brothers in the 1st...see problem solved...
Not to break YOUR balls or anything, but why should the residents of YOUR district be deprieved of a truck company while YOUR standing by SOMEWHERE ELSE?
The taxpayers in YOUR district deserve adequate protection, that will arrive promptly.
"No man is an Island." Mutual aid is necessary. However when a unit is needed to relocate - better and perhaps ADVANCED planning is necessary as to not neglect ANYONE of protection.
Your a great guy and your very dedicated to the fire service. But your a CHIEF now and your now accountable and have to answer to the residents that you protect. It will be on you if your department fails to provide protection as previously agreed upon. I'm sure you've already thought about this understand the huge burden of being a chief.
ok im not reading through this BS above all i want to know is why is it you need to alert 3 departments 2 of which to cover an area that has man power and is one town away? it would have made more sense to call another department who didnt need backfill but whatever.....please tell me im not alone in seeing that 3 departments shouldnt be called for something like this.....
Mutual aid....its interesting and i have a few oppinions on the topic.....But im not sure how to articulate my thoughts in such a way to not sound like a dick so im gonna hold back on this for a bit
Um, sorry, XYZ Fire Dept. is not available to send their ladder because it was just washed and waxed for the Big Battalion Parade.
If you have it, send it. In this day and age every department should have mutual aid procedures in place to make sure that the residents of their District are protected at all times.
Not to break YOUR balls or anything, but why should the residents of YOUR district be deprieved of a truck company while YOUR standing by SOMEWHERE ELSE?
The taxpayers in YOUR district deserve adequate protection, that will arrive promptly.
"No man is an Island." Mutual aid is necessary. However when a unit is needed to relocate - better and perhaps ADVANCED planning is necessary as to not neglect ANYONE of protection.
Your a great guy and your very dedicated to the fire service. But your a CHIEF now and your now accountable and have to answer to the residents that you protect. It will be on you if your department fails to provide protection as previously agreed upon. I'm sure you've already thought about this understand the huge burden of being a chief.
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