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That's out of context. He's talking about our education system. He's not saying that American children should learn to speak spanish specifically, that's just an example. The point he's making is that we should learn at least one language other than english, any language.
That's out of context. He's talking about our education system. He's not saying that American children should learn to speak spanish specifically, that's just an example. The point he's making is that we should learn at least one language other than english, any language.
The point is, I think that if you look at the entire package, with Obama you're getting a man of questionable judgment, very little experience and radical associations. With McCain, you have a man who is a war hero, speaks plainly, has a proven record of getting things done, and will prevent the entire United States Government from swinging to the far left. I know what to expect from McCain, Obama is a dangerous gamble. For me, this is the easiest choice I have ever had in voting.
The point is, I think that if you look at the entire package, with Obama you're getting a man of questionable judgment, very little experience and radical associations. With McCain, you have a man who is a war hero, speaks plainly, has a proven record of getting things done, and will prevent the entire United States Government from swinging to the far left. I know what to expect from McCain, Obama is a dangerous gamble. For me, this is the easiest choice I have ever had in voting.
Me too, only I'll be voting the other way. McCain has been tested, and appears to be of at times volatile temperament and questionable judgement. His experience in the senate is about 2 years worth, 15 times. His campaign is disorganized and his ability to organize and run that is a future predictor of his ability to organize and run a White House. His judgment in choosing his running mate was a dangerous gamble, for sure, a gamble to which he is subjecting the entire country should he be elected.
His tax plan favors the trickle down theory, the effectiveness of which seems to have been debunked by the current financial crisis. Real income for the average American has remained flat, while the rich boys clubs vote themselves huge bonuses and severance packages that have rewarded even the most egregious incompetence. So, you see, the trickle down becomes a drip if it ever even gets to that, after the moneyed class takes their "cut".
Obama is an intelligent, well educated man of even temperament and excellent judgment. The campaign he has organized and run is one of the most effective in recent history. His judgment in choosing a running mate was right on the mark. His experience in the senate, as well as at the state level is a valuable complement to his leadership skills.
His tax plan calls for the elimination of the Bush tax cuts for those whose net income is over $ 250,000, a very small percentage of the population. He will probably decrease taxes for nearly everyone who reads this, through a 1,000 per child tax cut credit and the elimination of the marriage penalty.
Suggestions that he is unpatriotic, a terrorist, or is somehow tainted by an association with Bill Ayers some years back on an education committee are ludicrous, and simply an attempt by the opposition to fuel fear in the masses.
So, as you suggested, the choice for me is pretty easy, too.
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Me too, only I'll be voting the other way. McCain has been tested, and appears to be of at times volatile temperament and questionable judgement. His experience in the senate is about 2 years worth, 15 times. His campaign is disorganized and his ability to organize and run that is a future predictor of his ability to organize and run a White House. His judgment in choosing his running mate was a dangerous gamble, for sure, a gamble to which he is subjecting the entire country should he be elected.
His tax plan favors the trickle down theory, the effectiveness of which seems to have been debunked by the current financial crisis. Real income for the average American has remained flat, while the rich boys clubs vote themselves huge bonuses and severance packages that have rewarded even the most egregious incompetence. So, you see, the trickle down becomes a drip if it ever even gets to that, after the moneyed class takes their "cut".
Obama is an intelligent, well educated man of even temperament and excellent judgment. The campaign he has organized and run is one of the most effective in recent history. His judgment in choosing a running mate was right on the mark. His experience in the senate, as well as at the state level is a valuable complement to his leadership skills.
His tax plan calls for the elimination of the Bush tax cuts for those whose net income is over $ 250,000, a very small percentage of the population. He will probably decrease taxes for nearly everyone who reads this, through a 1,000 per child tax cut credit and the elimination of the marriage penalty.
Suggestions that he is unpatriotic, a terrorist, or is somehow tainted by an association with Bill Ayers some years back on an education committee are ludicrous, and simply an attempt by the opposition to fuel fear in the masses.
So, as you suggested, the choice for me is pretty easy, too.
Couldn't have put it better if I tried. To add to that, when people say that Obama will raise taxes on those making over $250,000 per year, this is not the appropriate way to look at it. In reality, he will be equalizing the tax rates, so that everyone is taxed equally.
Then, as VSINDY said, he will most likely implement tax cuts that benefit many more people, a lot of whom actually will be helped by those cuts.
Sorry, but you guys are drinking the Kool-Aid. Since 40% of people pay no federal income tax (on their net income), giving them a tax credit is the smae as taking money out of someone else's pocket and giving it away. He says 250k now, when Obama, Pelosi and Reid get finished it will be tax increases for a100k or less, for a 2 income family. Obama doesn't believe in trickle down economics, he is looking for trickle up poverty (not my line).
Also, if you have absolutely no concerns about his radical associations, then I have to believe that you guys are pretty young, and haven't yet learned an important lesson, to wit: the best predictor of future behavior, is past behavior. This article, by Charles Krauthammer, a journalist and Harvard trained psychiatrist, one of the smartest people in the media sums up the case for McCain best; Charles Krauthammer - McCain for President
Finally, on the character question, ask yourself this, if you were at a job, and things went bad, who do you think would stay, and who do you think would bail??
That article raises several strong issues in favor of McCain that I think everyone should be looking at. The one that keeps coming to my mind is judgment.
In his past articles and appearances on Fox News he has been, by far, one of the most objective observers of this entire race.
Trickle this. Aint going to be much money trickling up if the business aint making money. As I posted yesterday business has a very negative view of the prospects of being profitable.
This morning trading has been halted on most futures trading: Nasdaq, S&P 500, dropping 6%. European Indices are off big. All because the market predicts that the tax policies of the next President will be extremely bad for business. Expect a huge amount of layoffs and hiring freezes in the coming year. There will be very little to trickle up.
rollover ~ your right about the younger crowd being led by the pied piper. They dont know better. They have no life experience to draw from and probably still live home with mom and dad. Most of NoBama's BS is appealing to the younger crowd because they don't pay much in taxes and want the hand outs that NoBama's promising. NoBama's appeal is significantly lower with hard working home owners with children. Typically voters who are old enough to vote in more than a few Presidential elections.
This is an old Populist battle between those who hate big Government and beleive in hard work an the freedom to advance one self and thus get to enjoy the fruits of labor VS. those who hate big business and and think its Governments job to take care of the people.
With luck most of NoBamas younger following will stay out late on Sunday, get drunk, and sleep the next day.
As I predicted Sen Douche Bag Schumer wrote a letter to Paulson complaining that the Banks arent lending the money they got from the bailout. No shit Sherlock! Why on earth would they lend money to anyone without perfect credit only to be demonized for the borrowers default. Keep the money as equity to bolster the books until a Republican President takes office. This morning PNC bank use their TARP funds( Bailout money) to buy another Bank, National City to bolster the balance sheet. Good on them. F Schumer.
Republicans old enough to remember the backlash from this country when a Clinton started taking orders from his liberal Congress. Newt Gingrich and his New Deal followers routed the Democrats. We just have to sit back and watch the results of the trickle up effect.
I think it may be time to revisit a mordern day Tea Party.
Adze, I am on track to eventually be "threatened" by having my income over $250K be taxed at a 3% higher rate.
Its pretty far off, but more realistic than "Joe the Plumber's" plan ... maybe. Simply stated, the SURPLUS income OVER 250K being taxed 3% higher isn't really a disincentive for growth. I won't stop trying to earn income at 250K just b/c the overage is taxes at a slightly higher rate. That notion is absurd. Most small businesses, like the one Joe the Bummer is employed by, don't even earn 250K after deductions, etc. His doesn't even come close!
In the end, if McCain's message was better, the outlook for his campaign would be much better. Its not. Obama's voters are not all black or college kids. You know this too, but the caricature is always good for a piece of mind I guess. What you don't seem to realize is that Black People + College Kids does not equal 52-40 in many nationwide polling averages!
Would anyone care to comment on why Obama is really going to Hawaii at this stage of the game? If his "typical white" grandmother truly is as ill as everyone is reporting then why didn't he leave the campaign trail a week ago?
Is it possible that he is going to tie up some loose ends regarding the whereabouts of his birth certificate as well?
And as an aside, whoever would have thought that the last two states admitted to the Union would play such key roles in determining a Presidential election? I find that to be rather fascinating. It is pretty amusing that the two States that are not part of the "lower 48" have supplied us with two of the four candidates.
Adze, I am on track to eventually be "threatened" by having my income over $250K be taxed at a 3% higher rate.
Its pretty far off, but more realistic than "Joe the Plumber's" plan ... maybe. Simply stated, the SURPLUS income OVER 250K being taxed 3% higher isn't really a disincentive for growth. I won't stop trying to earn income at 250K just b/c the overage is taxes at a slightly higher rate. That notion is absurd. Most small businesses, like the one Joe the Bummer is employed by, don't even earn 250K after deductions, etc. His doesn't even come close!
In the end, if McCain's message was better, the outlook for his campaign would be much better. Its not. Obama's voters are not all black or college kids. You know this too, but the caricature is always good for a piece of mind I guess. What you don't seem to realize is that Black People + College Kids does not equal 52-40 in many nationwide polling averages!
I'm no McCain fan. I don't view this election as white vs black issue. As I post before it's an old populist argument. Achiever's vs Slackers.
I'm in the highest tax bracket now and I'm looking at massive Tax increases on all fronts. NYS, Nassau County,NYC(I work in NYC) school and local taxes. We also will have surcharges (look at your phone bill) and sales tax increases because our elected officials will raise taxes rather than cut spending. How else can government work out of the massive hole they dug with exploding budgets?? That combined with the most Liberal President ever elected working with the most Left wing Congress who have repeatedly said they will increase spending by one TRILLION dollars. I beleive that is the worst thing to do in this market for our economy. I view the landscape from a Macro perspective. I dont get lost on the minutia we hear from the talking heads about 3% this or that. I expect the tax bill to go up at least 10-15% in total for all tax payers earning 80,000 or more.
Adze, you are very well versed in giving your thoughts as to why the economy is where it is now ... without looking into the motives, the fault typically lies in Democratic hands according to your theories.
Anyway, that aside (because there are theories on both ends, even though Democrats were out of power in the legislature for nearly a decade), the economy is where it is after those massive Bush tax cuts.
Once again, if you're a results person, the tax cuts didn't solve all of our problems, or any at all.
Like I said earlier in this thread Adze, it will be virtually impossible for the next President NOT to see drastic improvements in the lives of ordinary Americans, whether it be Obama or McCain. We might not have seen rock-bottom yet, but we're getting there in short order. So whether it will be to his credit or not, a President Obama will likely see people's lives improving during his term.
Or he could be inept like Carter. Either way, the sun will rise the next day and if Obama is another Carter, you'll get a Republican in the White House in 4 years anyway.
Democrats have dealt with Bush for 8 years, and from our perspective, his policies have caused many if not most of the problems America is facing today, particularly from a fiscal/spending/budget-shortfall and deficit standpoint (even if you IGNORE the Iraq War's costs and caring for veterans who come home for a moment). We all made it through, and you will make it through if Obama is elected. Its always smart, however, as you've alluded to, if you are making that much money, to plan accordingly if you expect the tax structure to change. Joe the Plumber doesn't really have to worry though, nor does his boss.
Adze, you are very well versed in giving your thoughts as to why the economy is where it is now ... without looking into the motives, the fault typically lies in Democratic hands according to your theories.
Anyway, that aside (because there are theories on both ends, even though Democrats were out of power in the legislature for nearly a decade), the economy is where it is after those massive Bush tax cuts.
Once again, if you're a results person, the tax cuts didn't solve all of our problems, or any at all.
Like I said earlier in this thread Adze, it will be virtually impossible for the next President NOT to see drastic improvements in the lives of ordinary Americans, whether it be Obama or McCain. We might not have seen rock-bottom yet, but we're getting there in short order. So whether it will be to his credit or not, a President Obama will likely see people's lives improving during his term.
Or he could be inept like Carter. Either way, the sun will rise the next day and if Obama is another Carter, you'll get a Republican in the White House in 4 years anyway.
Democrats have dealt with Bush for 8 years, and from our perspective, his policies have caused many if not most of the problems America is facing today, particularly from a fiscal/spending/budget-shortfall and deficit standpoint (even if you IGNORE the Iraq War's costs and caring for veterans who come home for a moment). We all made it through, and you will make it through if Obama is elected. Its always smart, however, as you've alluded to, if you are making that much money, to plan accordingly if you expect the tax structure to change. Joe the Plumber doesn't really have to worry though, nor does his boss.
In my view pure capitalism was not implemented over the last (8) years because Bush didnt cut spending. He increased spending by adopting many Liberal initiatives like Sen Kennedy's School Plan among many others. This economy was built on sand because everything was built on credit and not sound economics. Both parties are guilty. But I do blame the Democrats for this mortgage mess with Fannie & Freddie. They crafted the Community investment legislation and forced banks to lend to people who are not credit worthy who naturally defulted on their loans. We will never see an investigation because half the liberal leadership would be in jail.
BTW~ Dems not being out of power is not accurate. The Republicans didnt have a fillabuster proof majority. So the Dems repeatedly threatened the Nuclear option. So in order for Government to do anything at all both Parties had to work together. I can't count how many times over the last eight years the wheels of Government stopped and subsequently emergency spending bills had to be voted on to pay legislators and keep Government doors open. Dems used their considerable power as well the last eight years. They both did a number on us by stuffing every piece of legislation with billions of dollars of pork.
So, do I sound like i'm still only blaming the Libs??
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