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Old 11-14-2008, 11:18 AM   #1
 
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I dont know why the Hemp pin is locked. There were two people bringing up good points on both sides of the issue, and both have valid points. What do you believe is proper PPE. ESU runs with work duty suits, Are they flame resistant, do they need to be? I feel a coat, gloves, pants(no shorts), shoes (preferrable steel toed) and eye protection are sufficient.


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Old 11-14-2008, 11:54 AM   #2
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I dont know why the Hemp pin is locked. There were two people bringing up good points on both sides of the issue, and both have valid points. What do you believe is proper PPE. ESU runs with work duty suits, Are they flame resistant, do they need to be? I feel a coat, gloves, pants(no shorts), shoes (preferrable steel toed) and eye protection are sufficient.
Ok, i'll go with the flame resistant clothing, eye protection, and steel toed shoes. But now think about this - does your department issue the above mentioned? they do - its your regular firefighting gear, so why not just wear it. Is it worth being injured at a bs door pop because you werent wearing your issued equipment? We're volunteers which means when we are not at the firehouse we are: Cutting grass, playing catch with the kids, sitting behind a desk typing on the rant (lol), unlike esu that is wearing the gear issued to them for the tour. Just my 2 cents.


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Old 11-14-2008, 01:01 PM   #3
 
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As FDNY stated, it's your bunker gear. Just wear it, who cares, that's why it's issued for a reason. Keep in mind also, technically by the book the ideal thing also is to have a pre-cautionary line stretched God forbid anything flares up. Which by all means is textbook operations, but none the less, is it really worth risking just to wear a jumpsuit?


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Old 11-14-2008, 03:56 PM   #4
 
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Many dept.s also issue jump suits, clearly not as heavy duty as Bunker gear. BUT definetly not as bulky or heavy, especially when wet. Why weigh yourself down and constrict your motions. Whats the standard? You dont wear a Class 1 Haz-mat suit for a small ammonia bottle leak.. Point being if what your wearing provides the same protection as the standard whats the issue besides getting your own clothes dirty or ripped.


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Old 11-14-2008, 04:53 PM   #5
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The thread was locked because it turned into a pissing match .


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Old 11-14-2008, 06:34 PM   #6
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Lot's of Monday morning quarterbacks are quick to through "OSHA" into the mix. However OSHA standards; when it comes to most PPE is more or less geared towards cuts and punctures, rather than flame protection.

People need to realize that because of some departments (those with a high activity level) and modern technology (resident buff photographers), people who are competent and capable at their job; are too often thrust into a "fish bowl" for all to see.

Many people pick apart said operation. Afterall, their not doing the same level of activity, so why not pick apart those that are?

There are firefighters in this County that I would put up against anyone. And there are also plenty of fresh air firefighters that have been hiding in backyards their whole career - who have a lot to say.

In 71 departments things are done right, wrong and most of all ... in a way that WORKS for each particular outift.

There are departments that cut peaked roofs for content basement fires.

It's kind of accepted that right, wrong or indifferent - it's just their way of doing things and we leave it at that.

So for the people who are sitting around wondering if their even going to get a chance to use a Hurst tool this year, instead of picking apart the operations and use (or lack thereof) of PPE - rather take some time to consider that some pretty experienced people knew enough to keep their feet out of harms way while using the tool. They also knew to look away from what they were cutting or spreading once the tool came under pressure.

Most of all they also had the patient out of the car within 10 minutes.

What works in some swanky department that has 2 fires a year (in a good year) and has a 4 million dollar budget is done that way because it's what works for them.

But because that way doesn't work in other places doesn't always mean that it's wrong. Things are done differently in different places because it has been proven to work for that place and that place alone.



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Fresh Air Firefighters.....that beats Dry Coats anyday


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Old 11-14-2008, 11:09 PM   #8
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How about red coats? Lol


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Old 11-15-2008, 12:34 AM   #9
 
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I wear this at pin jobs



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Melted....i think it might have gotten locked cause i told some guy to go fck him self and that when we want his oppinion we'll ask him for it...(it got deleted) LOL


On a serious note...there is no need to be wearing STRUCTURAL firefighting gear for a pin job. If your wearing denim pants and long sleeve shirts and closed toe shoes your fine....lets stop being so damn anal. There are plenty of emergency orginaztions nation wide that dont wear bunker gear at pin jobs...pretty much every police dept emergency service team included.


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Old 11-15-2008, 04:34 AM   #11
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1stdueintheview.... is it true????


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Old 11-15-2008, 10:16 AM   #12
 
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When you say there is no need: why would I want to expose my clothes to BBP? That is what Dept's provide PPE to avoid. This And Eventually I Could Pop Side Vehicle Doors With Halligan And Axe (??). Signal 12 brings up some good points about each dept operating differently because of how busy they are.



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