[LB_Phr0z3n_FD]

As of right now, the SUNY Cortland "Campus Rescue" Emergency Squad, runs two vechiles, a non-transporting ambulance, and a 4 door, old, Jimmy.

Although the squad has certified EMT's and some Paramedics, the school will not allow for the agency to transport victims to the hospital. The board of directors for the agency is trying to get a new rig, equipped with ALS, a long with red lights and sirens. We currently have green lights, and sirens (which we are not allowed to use).

As a certified "First Response" team, (correct me if I'm wrong), the state allows for red lights and sirens, even if we don't transport correct? If so, does the school have authority to not allow us to run lights?

I don't really care about this, however, there is a huge battle brewing between the school and our chiefs / board of directors in this matter. A committee has been created by the Emergency Squad to help with this debate... and I'm part of this committee.

If anyone has any insight on this subject, please, tell me everything you know. Or, if you could point me in the right direction, that be great.

[ADZE07]

Curiously, why does it matter if you have lights or not if you're not transporting? (Not trying to be sarcastic at all)

Is your unit a "school" response team or is it affiliated with the local Fire Department?

[WFD1696]

Are the vehicles certified under 800?

[LB_Phr0z3n_FD]

Thats what I've asked them, and to be honest, its not worth fighting with them. They believe they should have lights and sirens, because they are a first response team, and we are the ones to decide if the patient needs to be transported to the hospital or not. If we decide so, a REAL ambulance comes and picks them up (lights and sirens). - We are a campus agency, not affiliated with the FD. (FD up here does not run EMS calls)

I started this post out of basic curiosity. They elected me onto the committee... the least I could do is try to help.

[ResQ80]

if you guys are a NYS Certified Agency with an agency code and have your ambulance and first responder certified part 800 then the part 800 states you have to have red lights and sirens...

[WFD1696]

If certified, a first response team as you describe it, is really no different than the fly cars we use down here.

I'm not familiar with Cortland. How big of a response area are we talking? How much traffic (vehicular and/or pedestrian) do you have to deal with?

Green lights, are the EMS-only equivalent of blue lights, and are intended for POVs. They do not belong on the official vehicles of an organized squad.

Being a SUNY school, it's not technically private property, so whether or not they could actually enforce no lights/no sirens rule is really a sticky wicket.

It all comes down to what certification the squad has, and what Part 800 has to say in regards to that.

[BackInBlack694]

How do the other SUNY Campus' handle this ? Some of the SUNY Campus Security Gaurds/Officers carry firearms....do they have lights and sirens ? I agree that you all should have them.

[FourPagers]

Basic Life Support First Response Agency Application

National Collegiate EMS Foundation

[LB_Phr0z3n_FD]

Wow thanks guys, this will def. help

We don't have security guards. We have Campus Police, which is a subdivision of the State Troopers... So they ARE real cops.

I'll talk to my chiefs about all the codes (800) and see what they say.

And yes, we are basically like a "fly car".

Traffic wise.... not to many cars...but A LOT of pedestrians, mostly all drunk, Thursday - Sunday morning.

[Blue Mule Trucking]

Originally Posted by LB_Phr0z3n_FD

Wow thanks guys, this will def. help

We don't have security guards. We have Campus Police, which is a subdivision of the State Troopers... So they ARE real cops.

I'll talk to my chiefs about all the codes (800) and see what they say.

And yes, we are basically like a "fly car".

Traffic wise.... not to many cars...but A LOT of pedestrians, mostly all drunk, Thursday - Sunday morning.

Actually they are state troopers. They really don't get to choose their assignment. I only know because my uncle's old partner had my school under his jurisdiction when I was in Fall 03 and decided never to return, due to becoming wise to fact I'd be broke for the rest of my life if I wanted my hobby to be my living.

[4 Engine]

Just a point of clarification SUNY PD are police officers employed by the state of NY but are not NYS Troopers. NYS has 3 police agencies with statewide jurisdiction NYS Troopers, NYS Department of Environmental Conservation Police, and the NYS Park Police. SUNY PD Has jurisdicition (GAOE) on State University Campuses and the highways that abut them. A few years back SUNY PD officers were given the option to take a transfer to NYS Park Police under a Civil Service Law 70.1 transfer. All of the above agencies have great personnel, i was just making a point of clarification

[Flyer0509]

Are you a state-certified agency, with an agency code as Non-Transporting agency? (easy way to decide this-- do you have a unique code that you put in your PCRs?)

[ride-n-fly]

well i guess saying a non transport agency not being allowed to have lights and sirens is like saying a fire truck shouldn't because it doesn't transport. you are still responding to an emergency call for help.

However, whether or not you should have them is at your discretion unless required by a professional standard or the DOH. i guess i can see not needing lights and sirens if you are just on campus

[LB_Phr0z3n_FD]

Originally Posted by Flyer0509

Are you a state-certified agency, with an agency code as Non-Transporting agency? (easy way to decide this-- do you have a unique code that you put in your PCRs?)

Yes, we have a specific code we put in our PCRs.

Also, the cops here wear patches that say NYS Troopers, or whatever the patch says. They just drive around in a "Campus Police" cruiser, instead of a state trooper car.

They are all a bunch of great guys who only work a few days a week, while the other days they work as police officers somewhere else.

[MFD594]

Originally Posted by LB_Phr0z3n_FD

Also, the cops here wear patches that say NYS Troopers, or whatever the patch says. They just drive around in a "Campus Police" cruiser, instead of a state trooper car..

They are NY State University Police Officers. Totally different animal than NYS Troopers.

[BigSmoke]

heres an idea for you. you said your local FD doesnt run ems calls right? Why dont you talk to the school if you guys have enough people to do it about possibly taking in some of the surrounding area. Pass it off as an attempt to do free community service and see if you can get more out of them by throwing hat out there