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Best regards, Rant Boss.
We're discussing Training with other organizations
My take is that is an excellent deal and should be done more often. I am thinking along the lines of PD, Mutual Aid, County/Town/Etc services, utilities, towing companies, and any other organization that may be on an operating on a scene with us. Even if you already work well, with neighboring departments/ companies there's room for improvement. I bring this up because I was watching Wrecked on Speed last night, and they did a drill that involved a FD that they worked with quite a bit. Some may not see it as a vital thing working with a local tow company, but it can make or break operating on scene or opening a road faster.
We've done multi-agency drills in the past (FD-PD-VAC) and they have worked well.
We've also done plenty of drills with neighboring depts.
I do recommend them, HOWEVER, there are usually a few hurdles to overcome. PD is paid, so the drill would might generate OT, which some municipalities dont want to go for.
Re:"Some may not see it as a vital thing working with a local tow company, but it can make or break operating on scene or opening a road faster."....
Without sounding "mean", I have no need to drill with a tow company. Its a PD matter and their job to clear the road quicker.
The fire service academy offers training in utilities such as LIPA and LIRR awareness.
There's many grants out there that you can apply for that would cover the costs associated with a multiagency drill ( Overtime,equipment, planning, etc)
up this way we have a company out of Port Washington called Chesters heavy duty towing...
they have atleast 2 wreckers bigger then the 'Big Tow' from NCPD...
might not be a bad idea to have them on speed dial in places where large commerical traffic comes thru frequently...where the 'Big Tow' mite have a 30min + ETA.
and to do a training with them to see what they need...and how the FD operates might not be a terrible idea...
jmo
Last edited by You Dont Know About That? : 08-11-2008 at 11:01 PM.
Reason: to fix atleast one typo
From what I understand being truck driver and knowing someone who has a small HD tow operation out of Jamica the police on scene can give a time limit to get the scene cleared. The wreck being remains secured to tow rig and scene's glass and debris cleaned up. Furthermore the tow companys such as Chester's(as mentioned above or below depending on your settings), Pete's, Jerry's, J&M, Mike's, and Axle Anderson's towing(just a couple off the top of my head) that have heavy duty tow rigs as well as light and medium duty rigs can make all the difference at a operation depending on conditions. Some have rotator trucks with capacities over 60 tons of winching power and have the ability to lift and move a vehicle gently so it may go from an unsafe to safe working enviorment for ambulance and extrication crews. Just food for thought from someone in the transportation business (shipping stuff from wood to multi-million dollar cars).
up this way we have a company out of Port Washington called Chesters heavy duty towing...
they have atleast 2 wreckers bigger then the 'Big Tow' from NCPD...
jmo
2453, 50 Ton Century hydraulic boom, 50 Ton underlift. Chester's is the same size, no greater capacity.
2454 is a 1979 Autocar with a Holmes 850 mechanical boom. I've spoken with the guy from Chester's on several occasions and he'd give his right arm for the boom on this truck. It's rated for 45 tons but will easily handle more.
If you're at a scene and think it might be beneficial yo have the tow there call for both the private as well as the PD. On any given tour at least 1 PO is assigned the "tow" position. If he's not on a prior assignment or filling in on the 2nd truck that rig can be on the road in a matter of minutes. At 2 AM in that situation there are very few private companies that can match that response.
The private heavy duty tow companies I have dealt with are all professionals. Many of them have been through hours of training in recovery, rigging and lifting 9you would be amazed at how long some of the classes are) and they have the necessary equipment to get the job done. If you have the opportunity to train with, or at the very least get a demo of their capabilities and equipment I'd highly reccomend it.
Who'll be the 1st Nassau dept to buy one of these LOL...
In all seriousness though, I see the potential for a HUGE liability problem by using a private tow at an emergency scene (i.e. where rigging/heavy rescue is involved, not just a bs fender bender).
Who would cover the tow operator if he got injured? The FD or the tow co?
What if there's a "problem" and further injury results to the victim and/or FD members? Betcha someone's gonna ask a question or two.
Not saying its a terrible idea, but I'll lean towards the PD heavy duty tow. JMO
Who'll be the 1st Nassau dept to buy one of these LOL...
In all seriousness though, I see the potential for a HUGE liability problem by using a private tow at an emergency scene (i.e. where rigging/heavy rescue is involved, not just a bs fender bender).
Who would cover the tow operator if he got injured? The FD or the tow co?
What if there's a "problem" and further injury results to the victim and/or FD members? Betcha someone's gonna ask a question or two.
Not saying its a terrible idea, but I'll lean towards the PD heavy duty tow. JMO
Tow operators and owners of the companies know the risks. Not to know the PD operators I think the private operators do a more careful and thorough job, because feeding their family is on the line, cops get paid to do it. I just think that it would be worth knowing how each other operate and can be help everyone if we needed a wrecker rigged up to get at a car/truck in a MVA in order to operate safely, we'd be able to set up roadside operations in a matter that would work for the tow rig operator and ourselves.
As said before I am not knocking PD operators or the job they'd do here. But I've seen more times then not in the past covering probably around 1,000,000 miles covering northeast far south as NC. I've seen more damage and careless flip overs of towed rigs behind gov't trucks then private. First hand experience.
Last edited by Blue Mule Trucking : 08-12-2008 at 09:00 PM.
Tow operators and owners of the companies know the risks. Not to know the PD operators I think the private operators do a more careful and thorough job, because feeding their family is on the line, cops get paid to do it. I just think that it would be worth knowing how each other operate and can be help everyone if we needed a wrecker rigged up to get at a car/truck in a MVA in order to operate safely, we'd be able to set up roadside operations in a matter that would work for the tow rig operator and ourselves.
As said before I am not knocking PD operators or the job they'd do here. But I've seen more times then not in the past covering probably around 1,000,000 miles covering northeast far south as NC. I've seen more damage and careless flip overs of towed rigs behind gov't trucks then private. First hand experience.
If you've never worked with Nassau County ESU you cannot make a statement as to how we operate.
As I've said, the private tows here on the Island for the most part do a tremendous job. They have a small fortune invested in their equipment and they go for all the Wreckmaster training etc.
Unlike the private tow, ESU doesn't have a fleet of trucks to work with. We have 2.........one of them is still running since it was new in 1979, the other was purchased in 1992 and it replaced a 1953 FWD. We (the cops in the unit) take pride in our equipment. We maintain it because the County isn't buying us another one and it's all we have. Maybe you've seen other places where the operators don't know how to properly use their tools but until you've worked with the County don't label us with the same broad brush.
None YET. But saw a suffolk and nassau HWP fighting over which county an accident was in by the 48.
and youve never seen two fire departmants arguing over whos district a fire was in, or whos district that car accident was in? come on bro.... your just being ridiculous now
and youve never seen two fire departmants arguing over whos district a fire was in, or whos district that car accident was in? come on bro.... your just being ridiculous now
or two private tows hovering around trying to claim the job?
Training with other organizations
