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I just finished it at VEEB this past year. Had a great group of instructors and a great group of lab instructors as well. They really made sure you understood things, went out of there way to help, and made it an overall fun and well taught learning experience. I definetely recommend VEEB, Not sure how the FPA class is but MANY of the instructors at the FPA and VEEB are the same so you see some in either place.
I just finished it at VEEB this past year. Had a great group of instructors and a great group of lab instructors as well. They really made sure you understood things, went out of there way to help, and made it an overall fun and well taught learning experience. I definetely recommend VEEB, Not sure how the FPA class is but MANY of the instructors at the FPA and VEEB are the same so you see some in either place.
Dito, was in the same class, and they where a lot of fun, learned a lot from the instructors both in the lecture and lab parts. I have to say VEEB has some of the best instructors overall, and complements are also thrown the way of FPA as they share a lot of the same instructors. But for some odd reason people who come out of FPA seem to just handle things better over all and seem to be more knowledgeable on a wider variety of subjects. FPA also gives you a greater chance of networking if you plan on working within Nassau County, as (I believe) all instructors are current 14A operators or have been at some point (no longer on field duty). VEEB has a much more laid back attitude in general, and FPA will tend to kick your ass.
Up to you as always, just hope it can give you a better insight as to what is going on.
I did my original at VEEB back in '91, and then did my first refresher (and subsequent) at FPA. Last time I was there was (I think) about 2001 when I did my last refresher before lapsing.
As someone pointed out, many of the instructors are the same. My feel about FPA vs. VEEB was this; FPA is a much more disciplined program. There's a "feeling" of things being taken more seriously (that's the feeling/impression I was left with). I felt that VEEB taught me to pass the test; I felt that FPA taught me to be a good tech.
I'm NOT knocking VEEB, that's just my feeling, and it was several years ago, and things have probably changed since then.
The difference between Veeb and FPA is VEEB will try to help you anyway they can to get you through. The FPA is rigid. The VEEB is there for the student the FPA feels the student is there for them. As far as real world prep, veebs instructors work in the County as 14A's and also the city and suffolk. The don't train for the test they train for the real world. VEEB takes their role seriously just not themselves.
Apparently you dont know that the night "14A" instructors at VEEB are instructors at the FPA during the day. I cant tell you too much about the night staff at the FPA but the daytime instructors are the best around and the most dedicated around. They care whether or not their students pass but they also make sure they understand what they are learning. If you fail then you fail. Its all the same curriculum.
Apparently you dont know that the night "14A" instructors at VEEB are instructors at the FPA during the day. I cant tell you too much about the night staff at the FPA but the daytime instructors are the best around and the most dedicated around. They care whether or not their students pass but they also make sure they understand what they are learning. If you fail then you fail. Its all the same curriculum.
TRUST ME. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE POSTER "Bobbi1230" KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT!!! The instructors both lecturers and lab instructors ARE NOT interchangeable. Many teach exclusively at one school or the other.
The difference is in how the student is viewed. The FPA is much more structured then VEEB because it is primarily used by paid providers and is set to a civil service schedule. They get more in depth into A&P and the didactic portions are more extensive then VEEB and do tend to be more strict with their policies. Yes, the curriculum is the same as set forth by NYS, but it is often conveyed differently at VEEB as opposed to FPA. VEEB is much more willing to work with the students to catch them up and offer more help to motivate the student and keep them going in the course. The students that come to VEEB are all from Volunteer organizations. I can't begin to tell you how many times I stayed after class to help a student because they wanted to learn; or talked to them outside of class to keep them motivated and answer their questions. That is the extra personal touch you get at VEEB.
And as an aside: They are at least 3 other VEEB instructors who are active posters on this board.
Both the FPA and VEEB have competent instructors. Although both academies follow NY State curriculum, the FPA adds more enhancement material to their courses as well as extra hands on practical labs in an effort to better prepare the student to practice in the real world. This is why some of their classes run a little longer than VEEB's. It is true that the FPA trains many providers that work for the county, but the classes provided for volunteers are much less rigid and extra help is available and provided on a regular basis. I think you will find that both academies have a very loyal student following and both academies have pissed off a student or two now and then. The bottom line is, what you get out of a course is determined by what you put into it. Stay Safe!
As one of the active posters that KYE was referring to, and as a VEEB instructor since '96, I will say this:
Yes, it's true that many of the VEEB instructors, both CIC and CLI, are EAB employees. Some are detailed to the FPA. Some are "in the streets".
Many of the VEEB staff are city employees, on the FD, EMS, and PD side. All of us are, by state requirement, active EMS providers w/ either a paid or volunteer agency.
To my knowledge, there is no one on staff at VEEB with less then 10 years of EMS experience. I'm sure the staff at FPA has similar statistics. I have close to 22 years in EMS, and let me tell you, there are some days and nights that I'm the 'junior man" in house.
Both facilities offer excellent learning opportunities. Both have immensely experienced and dedicated staff. Both have plusses and minuses. But to sit here and compare whose staff is more dedicated is silly. We're ALL dedicated. Yes, we draw a paycheck from it. But I still teach because I love to. I see close to 90 students a year, and I still get a rush when I'm teaching something that they had no prior knowledge about, and all of sudden the lightbulb comes on. It's an honor to be on staff. And I think all staff members at both academies would say the same thing.
So as slp2202ss stated, you'll get out of these courses EXACTLY what you put into them.
I just wanted to wish all "new" students good luck. Both academies have quite capable instructors, but it is YOU, the student, that must put the effort into what you want to get out of the class. Enjoy and please study!!
ps. Dont get caught behind on rotations!!!
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