[1st Due Truck]

Just for instance say you have a singal 9a, or even a run that comes in all of the time, but it is now during the day when manpower can sometimes be hard to come by. The page goes out a few times with no response or maybe just a chief. When the Chief o dispatcher finally makes the call to get M/A to either provide care which has no been delayed a long period of time or to go investigate an alarm does that now become the M/A's dept.'s run?

Or do you simply turn them around if you have a unit get out? To me it doesnt seem to be cut and dry one way or another. One way people think its our call if we get out we get out and no longer need you guys. But you have already alerted another dept, and possibly have people leaving work, kids responding a pretty far distance from school/college, and then you have them responding lights and sirens through two districts to get turned around. To me it just seems like i would personally let the dept respond in if they can help us out thats great if not thanks anyway for coming to bail us out. "Many hands make light work."

[7pr0bie4]

when is a call no longer your call?

when you get put on a 13

[sc 574- 5796]

i believe he's talking about the department calling m/a

[Flyer0509]

I say let them come in. You called them out already, and put them at an inconvenience to respond to your district, so let them continue in and take in the call. You can still respond and operate alongside them. Especially for a 9A at night, when you're pulling people from another department or service out of bed to take in your run. They deserve to take in the run after that kind of inconvenience, instead of just being 13'ed en route if you get a bus out.

[underthedome]

Our department policy for 9's used to be 4 minutes 32 on general tones and 7 minutes M/A if the bus did not respond. Now its back to "discretion." If its a serious aided, first bus gets the call no exceptions. If it is more of a transport call and a minute or two will not make a difference I would keep the other department's bus coming in. For a fire call, if it sounds like a job or there is smoke showing and no one is on the road in like 5 minutes I would want 1/1/1 to come in. If you figure it takes 10 minutes for mutual aid to be on the scene in a best case scenario (possibly calling another dispatch center, tones, members responding to quarters, response time to scene in other district) then if you are going to be shorthanded you are going to want that relief on scene so they get that second line stretched or are ready to go once the first in guys have to change the first pack.

[1st Due Truck]

Originally Posted by 7pr0bie4

when is a call no longer your call?

when you get put on a 13

thanks...

[eastend562]

for ambulance call it is no longer your call if the mutual aid ambulance is at your scene first and they dont have a higher trained medical authority on your ambulance but the scene is yours not patient.

[FDNY52504]

Look at it this way, if you already called m/a because your units didnt get out, and the m/a company is already coming in, then your unit goes on the road. Your probably not going to get that second rig out full (or at all) so why not keep the m/a coming. If its a signal 9 - your bus may have rolled driver and 1 technician so i/m/o you would want to keep the m/a coming in they may have a code 1 or maybe just more manpower.

[ExChief5496]

Here's another angle... You've overwhelmed all of your resources and it has become difficult to coordinate all your incoming resources, and you'll need resources from outside the normal lines... or you incident begins to span multiple jurisdictions, counties or states. then the county (ha!), state (hmm) or Feds will come in with an incident management team... whole point of all this NIMS training, eh?

they do it all the time out west for wild fires, but the system easily expands and adapts to terrorism, large scale civil unrest, transportation problems, etc

MTB
EX00/EX96

[BoxE11]

Originally Posted by 7pr0bie4

when is a call no longer your call?

when you get put on a 13

When your back in the firehouse safely.

[You Dont Know About That?]

example today:

sig 9..at a country club...with a step it up response from the Pd. to the fd.

xyz dept no techs...

chief gets on the road who happens to be an CC. tells firecom to re-alert 32 on a 9 for manpower...the county is secondary/backup but they were to far out...

they went with m/a from my dept...and still had there own bus respond into the scene...idk if we got out.

but we were not given a disregard just incase we had a crew we could assist and help out and yada yada yada... heads up play cough *Zeroone* cough.

but if xyz didnt get out..and a chief is there from xyz dept...its still his call...hes just borrowing your shit.