Either ESU was listening and asked to be assigned or the RMP on scene requested ESU to removed the vehicle.
If it doesnt come in as people trapped or an overturned auto or if there are multiple patients, the only way you will get notified for every one of these is if you go primary. This probably came in as an MVA with no aided and they sent 1 RMP.
Nassau county FD and PD are reactive agencies, theres no sending the proper units or following protocols......send the RMP and they will ask for things.....
Until they get sued like the City of New York has been sued over and over nothign will ever change.
The car went in to a sump area. The car was still running and the driver left on foot. ESU was called to remove and shut off the car and other sectors were called to canvass for the driver and passenger, who "ran away". I am missing what they did wrong, you "need" to get called to that? I listened to the entire thing at work and it went smooth.
Gotum, you're making conflicting statements. First, you correctly say that FD and ESU get notified if there is a report of entrapment, etc. Right, so far.
Then how can you complain that the PD and FD are reactive agencies? Would you have everyone send a full extrication response to a reported MVA/No aided? I hope not.
On the other hand, if the callers had reported the car into the sump with occupants trapped in the car, the full joint agency response would have been sent, if CB follows their own procedures correctly.
The only thing that is usually 100% in nassau county is pin jobs......water rescues and any other kind of rescues is thrown up in the air.
A few months ago 408 was sent to an odor in the building making people sick....no ESU, no FD, no hazmat. Thats what i am talking about, they are going to wait for an RMP to get their to request other pieces of equipment to respond.
Things get lost in translation......Saturdays Wantagh-SS Pkwy MVA with the falling debris.....I'm buffing radio and hear multiple 14s & 14As responding to 10 car MVA with possible collapsed overpass!!!!!.......We get it as a bread & butter MVA........go figure
No FD action required. We all complain that we never get called, but then how many times do we get notified for the MVA that the RMP has been on for 30 minutes and is only a report with no aided?
Gotum, you are mistaken again, especially re: water rescues, unless something has changed since I retired a few months back. NCPD used to notify Firecom for every friggin' thing that happened on the water, including every friggin disabled boat, all summer long the last several years. It became totally absurd having to call every dept. on the north and south shores that NCPD was notifying of a "boater in distress" (like out of gas, stalled engine, etc) and the local depts became disgusted at NCPD notifying them of that kind of nonsense. But the NCPD would insist they were just "following the procedure." Glad I'm retired and don't have to participate in all that idiocy anymore..............
And on the call for the odor making people sick. Are you saying the PD didn't even send an ambulance, just an RMP. That's hard to believe. Agreed FD should also have been sent, but I think the PD would send an ambulance if people are reported sick, again unless a dispatcher goofed up and didn't follow their own procedures.
And 6912, re: the accident/overpass incident, try to find out if your own dispatcher relayed to your responding units all the info he was given . I'm not saying he didn't (I didn't hear the call) But there have been lots of incidents over the years where some local dept's dispatchers did not tell their units all the details that they were given by Firecom. Or they gave the details different than Firecom told them. (Like saying 14 was at scenerequesting when Firecom said 14 was responding. You really don't know what happened unless you hear all the tapes of all radio and phone traffic involved in the incident. Things often turn out to be different than ya' think from listening to the scanner.
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And 6912, re: the accident/overpass incident, try to find out if your own dispatcher relayed to your responding units all the info he was given . I'm not saying he didn't (I didn't hear the call) But there have been lots of incidents over the years where some local dept's dispatchers did not tell their units all the details that they were given by Firecom. Or they gave the details different than Firecom told them. (Like saying 14 was at scenerequesting when Firecom said 14 was responding. You really don't know what happened unless you hear all the tapes of all radio and phone traffic involved in the incident. Things often turn out to be different than ya' think from listening to the scanner.
If 690 had recieved the call the same way that the PD dispatched it he would have had the Heavy Rescue (6914) from St1 in addition to Stations 2 (692 with the tool & 6918 Rescue) and St4 (697)with an additional engine. We cover alot of parkways and that is our normal rolling procedure for overturned, entrapment, etc.
But there have been lots of incidents over the years where some local dept's dispatchers did not tell their units all the details that they were given by Firecom. Or they gave the details different than Firecom told them. (Like saying 14 was at scenerequesting when Firecom said 14 was responding.
I can say the same. Alot of incidents involving my department come to mind where the info that the county has doesnt match what was relayed to our dispatchers. MVAs lead the list. Car into tree on Wantagh Pkwy with smoke showing. We get it as MVA with injury. I doubt our dispatcher forgot the fire part.
I dont believe the problem is with Firecom. Many of the guys up there are members of the Fire service and they know that information is power. I firmly believe that the fire departments are an after thought within the dispatching system of NCPD. Not by any one person but the bureaucracy itself.
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Engineman we have been through this before over and over again..... I only have to bring up one call, Octobor 2008 when NCPD aviation and NCPD marine did a super sneaky G-14 classified removal of (3) 13 year old kids stuck in the marsh in the back of Lawrence in the vicinity of the Rockaway Hunt Club.
Aviation did a basket hoist lift to remove 3 kids, the reason this was done was because marine bureau only had their rigid hull boat that couldnt get into the marsh. If FD was notified there wouldnt have been any reason for anyone to be lifted into the air. We have a rigid hull and a soft hull. Plus the victims are accessible by land, but the PO's dont train for water rescues its not their job and they havent lived in the area for 20+ years.
In august of 09, RMP 419 was sent to swimmers in distress underneath the Atlantic Beach Bridge, no marine bureau, no FD, no aviation.
Some things get lost in translation, but these 2 last calls were not.
I understand things happen, some people dont always get notified. But hypothermia sets in pretty rapidly, even in the summer.
I dont want this to turn into a CB bash, things happen, i understand that. For some reason sometimes everyone doesnt get notified.
well you can do what a neighboring Fire department does and buff off the scanner you can listen to 46.20 and you will hear firecom tell the 1st due chief received a call from your HQ
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